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  • Lithium Battery bests practices

    Lithium Battery bests practices

    Lithium Battery bests practices by Peter Wolf.
    How to prevent Li-Ion battery for loosing SOH and ageing? How to not visit HV Battery service.
    Sorry for the mistakes, I will work on it

    I have started my adventure with lithium batteries about 20 years ago, as a RC modeler. Lithium batteries that we used in flying models, unlike laptop batteries, were designed for maximum current, delivered in a very short time. Thanks to this I gained experience with the most well-fed Lithium batteries in the world. Batteries that I use for acrobatic or racing models are able to temporarily spend up to 100 times more current than the nominal capacity.
    What does it mean? For example, use a small battery used in 250 class acrobatic drones with a capacity of 1300mAh on 14.8V what means 4 cells per 3.7V nominal.

    Next to the capacity, a thick 75C inscription appears, marked with a black background. This means that, we can temporarily pull the current ,75 times larger than its capacity.
    That is 75 * 1300mA = 97 500 mA.
    Almost 98Amps on 15V what gives 1470W from a battery not much bigger than a matchbox.

    RC LIPo Battery
    Lithium Battery bests practices

    100% SOC is actually 100% capacity of our battery and 0% is 0%

    In your mobile phone for 99,99% it is. that’s why a mobile phone battery lasts only for two years. 100% for 4.2V(or even higher to 4.35V) and 0% for 3V.

    Lithium Battery bests practices
    Lithium Battery bests practices

    In most EV vehicles, the original cell capacity is degreed for longer battery life. And for example Fiat 500e’s 100% SOC is equal to ~4110mV/cell and 0% is around ~ 3300mV/cell

    Lithium Battery bests practices important notice: Lithium battery haven’t ‘memory effect’. There is no sense to discharge them to 0% and then full charge.

    Charge Voltage Limit and Discharge cycles

    Charge Voltage Limit is also very important. Every reduction of 0.1V in max cell/voltage double the battery cycles. Every 0.07V (70mV) drops the usable capacity by ~10%

    Charge level
    V/cell
    Discharge cyclesStored Energy
    4.25200 – 350105-110%
    4.20300 – 500100%
    4.15400 – 70090% to 95%
    4.10600 – 100085% to 90%
    4.05850 – 150080% to 85%
    4.001200 – 200070% to 75%
    3.902,400 – 400065%
    3.804000 >55%

    Deeper discharge, shorter life.

    Deeper discharge (100% DoD equals to full cycle) = shorter battery life – less battery cycles. Operating the battery in mid-state-of-charge would have beast results.

    DoD
    (Depth of discharge)
    Baterry cycles
    NiCd
    Battery cycles
    LiPO
    100% DoD~300~600
    80% DoD~400~900
    60% DoD~600~1500
    40% DoD~1000~3000
    20% DoD~2000~9000
    10% DoD~6000~15000

    Lithium battery charging and balancing

    No Lithium battery archive ‘capacity memory effect’ therefore it is not necessary to always discharge to zero and charge to 100%. and it will definitely be better if we don’t charge like that. If you do not use 100% daily, consider setting a charging schedule so as not to recharge the battery every day to 100%. For Lithium Battery bests practices try to keep the limits from 20 to 80% State-of-Charge. You don’t have to worry about the battery being unbalanced. Discharging to zero and charging to 100% has nothing to do with balancing the battery. Fiat 500e balances the HV package whenever it is needed, even during sleep cycle

    Lithium Battery bests practices
    Fiat 500e HV battery balance data.

    Lithium batteries storage

    Lithium batteries differ from each other, the additives used, which every manufacturer keeps secret… Lithum Polimer batteries, achieve their incredible performance at the expense of stability and explosive nature. These batteries, whose purpose is to discharge from 100% to zero in 3-4 minutes are extremely sensitive to too low charge or high charge. The only way to store these batteries, as well as all other Lithium batteries, is to charge them to the “magic” STORAGE level of 3.75V – 3.82V per cell (about 50%SOC)

    Proper prepared to store Lithium batteries can be stored up to 5 years, almost without degrading the battery SOH (State-of-Health) Remember, or notice the next time, how much charge your new mobile phone has taken straight out of the box?

    For any Lithium Battery bests practices, remember, no lithium batteries like to be 0% or 100% too long. And the closer to the center (SOC: 45-50%) the better. Depending on the additives used for the chemical composition and battery pack build. Lithium batteries can only be more or less resistant to too high or too low SOC.

    Putting battery in to Storage State requires a special charging mode. it is mainly used for batteries used from time to time such as drones/RC batteris, which we charge to 4.2V / cell just before use.

    to be continue….

  • Fiat 500e Service in Mirano (Venice)

    Fiat 500e Service in Mirano (Venice)

    Fiat 500e Service in Mirano (Venice) where we took care of the fleet of Esergetica company, specialising in supplying photovoltaic installations. Photovoltaic installation and electric car are the perfect combination. Therefore, it is not surprising why they decided to bring a dozen electric cars from the USA.

    Fiat 500e Mirano
    Fiat 500e Mirano

    Esergetica is an Italian company so the choice could not fall on a different car than the classic in the modern edition of the electric Fiat 500e

    working on Fiat 500e in Italy
    working on Fiat 500e in Italy

    Our main task was to check and prepare cars for driving. From the visual assessment of the state of all high voltage installations. After complete computer diagnosis and execution of necessary updates and recurrent actions such as U69

    HV Battery Repair

    In one case, thanks to the experience of our technicians, it was possible to detect serious damage to the battery pack. On closer inspection the high voltage socket was broken also in the seemingly non-damaged Fiat 500e. This time turned out, the damage was hidden behind the lower aerodynamic shields, which, after being indented, returned to its shape. For this reason, it has effectively masked the problem. Crushed corner and hole in the bottom metal part of the battery case. In addition, damage to the upper lid of the fiberglass was sufficient to exclude the enclosure from use.

    However, the enclosure, lithium batteries was not damaged. It was too bad to cross out such good batteries. So we put all the contents of the package into the undamaged recovery case. HV Battery Repair has change to liIon cells swap

    Why the tightness of the package is so important? And what damage can cause even the smallest hole in the battery we have already written on our blog.

    It is worth emphasizing that this car did not take part in the accident and only invaded the obstacle on the ground. The remainder of the package as well as the whole car did not carry the smallest traces of damage. Therefore, you should consider doing a review before or after purchasing Fiat 500e. We are the most experience in repairing electrical 500 fiat team in Europe. 

  • Limited Power mode, 47% or 0%SOC, not ready Fiat 500e

    Limited Power mode, 47% or 0%SOC, not ready Fiat 500e

    Limited Power mode“, 47% or 0% SOC (State of Charge), “Not Ready” and a not charging Fiat 500e. After shipment from United States, any of these can be a common situation for the Electric Fiat 500e.



    The fiat 500e not-charging problem, is an overly discharged high-voltage battery. This means the battery pack is below the operating level. With this problem, time is of the essence. The sooner we wake up the HV battery, the better. If the HV battery remains below 2,8V per cell for more than a few months, it will cause irreparable damage.

    47%SOC, Limited Power mode, not ready Fiat500e
    47%SOC, Limited Power mode, not ready Fiat500e

    We have refined the BEV technology, and are able to achieve really amazing results, which is most evident in the engine performance after regeneration of the HV battery of electric Fiat 500e

    Our results of SOH

    After rescue dead Fiat 500e our results for SOH can be checked with any PC computer. This test of power is the best proof of our effectiveness. For instance, I’ve reached full pull of 87kW with our last patient. So really there is no sense to search for fiat 500e replacement battery

    If you have this problem: Limited Power mode, 47% or 0%SOC, not ready with your Electric Fiat, do not risk damaging the HV battery on your home repair attempt. Thats why, we have biggest experience in Fiat 500e battery regeneration. We can manage to get the minimum degree of degradation of the package!!!

    Limited power mode not a problem any more. Above all, check our YouTube channel for more proofs. I also invite you to read the post presenting one of my best fixes of this problem: Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?

  • Not charging Fiat 500e

    Not charging Fiat 500e

    Not charging Fiat 500e and his most common problems with high voltage battery. Our FAQ and solutions for not charging HV battery of Fiat 500e:

    The first reason may seem ridiculous. But has already beaten not only one specialist 😉
    You have active charge schedule. Fiat 500e charge schedule is very useful if you have a night rate for kWh.

    1. Connect charger
    2. Press Enter on Instrument Panel Cluster for “charge now”
    3. After Key ON disable charge schedule in IPC Menu.

    If Car is fresh pick up from port:

    1. Requires unlocking after a collision
    2. Over discharged HV Battery

    Flashing right turn light after turning the ignition means a blocked car after a collision. requires checking and unlocking after an accident.

    If Car stay unattended for >= 3 weeks

    1. Check 12V Battery condition
    2. Over discharged HV Battery
    3. Can the coronavirus kill Fiat 500e?

    The manufacturer of the Fiat 500e recommends that even in the case of a 2-week vacation, leave the car with the Level I or Level II charger connected.
    I don’t like this solution. In my idea better is to remove the HV Fuse if you need to live the car unattended for more then a week.

    Check charging cable or just call us as fast as possible.
    Not charging Fiat 500e – as you can see the reason can be ridiculous or very serious. And in this serious case time is of the essence! Don’t let Your Fiat 500e die

    HV Battery FUSE

    Charging Cable Not charging Fiat 500e

    Never use adapters, thin extension cords or other inventions to charge an electric car.

    Check this subpage for more info Service Charging System Fiat 500e