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Category: Fiat 500e Battery

Fiat 500e High Voltage Battery. The heart of every electric car. It costs as much as a whole car. This category shows what the fuss is about.

  • Fiat 500e high voltage battery regeneration

    Fiat 500e high voltage battery regeneration

    batteryFiat 500e high voltage battery regeneration – after unprofessional rise of overdischarge in another service.
    The history of this repair began with a typical problem: Fiat 500e does not load and does not start after a long time of not using the car. From the initial interview, I learned that the car could stand in this condition for several months. Therefore, we immediately started disassembling the HV battery…

    An additional problem that came to light after dismantling the battery, was broken warranty seals. So the battery has already been repaired before and as I checked, not by me. At this point, I began to anticipate the potential source of the problem. Everything was confirmed several minutes later, after removing the top cover of the Fiat 500e’s battery pack. Photos of voltage measurements on 4 front, six-cell battery modules speak for themselves.

    Initial measurements showed that most of the batteries hold current quite well, a few cells were below the lower threshold of the on-board charger, which is below 2.7V per cell, but not less than 2.0V. On the other hand, the entire six-cell module, on the very front of the battery, with marked cathodes (+) and anodes (-) of the cells. In addition, with the same marker, a great number one. I checked the serial numbers of the battery modules and ruled out that the module was replaced with another battery.

    This is the best proof that an overly discharged Lithium-Ion battery is not enough to simply “charge”. Connecting such cells to a 6-cell RC-modeler charger or home “laboratory” bench power supplies gives an excellent chance for a permanent and clear deterioration of the health of Lithium batteries until they are completely damaged.

    Unprofessional attempts to excite or regenerate the Fiat 500e high-voltage battery in most cases end in damage to the insulators between the cathode and the anode of the cell. Such a cell will lose a dozen or so mV of voltage every day, and thus, causing progressive unbalance of the HV battery.

    In this case, the state of the module with number one gives no chance to save it and we have to replace it with another recovery module. At this point, it is impossible not to mention that it is not enough to take the first module from the edge, “as long as the plus is on the same side”. The replaced module must be matched in terms of age and battery capacity, and thus: “raid”.
    Thanks to this, we are sure that the installed modules will not stand out from the rest of the high-voltage battery of the Fiat 500e, causing its constant balancing, i.e. heating and wasting energy.

    Fiat 500e high voltage battery regeneration. Is this the end of the job?

    I am convinced that most websites end their work at this point. The car has already started, it means “you can cancel the payment and everything else is invalid.” Meanwhile, at FiatService.EU, after the first full cycle of the battery, it’s only time to perform real tests of the battery at full load and in the full operating range. Thanks to this, even if the customer does not accept the cost of further repair, aimed at improving the performance and range of the car. I am the one who is sure that the high voltage battery of your Fiat 500e is safe and will not be a “ticking surprise” or simply a BOMB.

    Fiat 500e battery regeneration is a service that you should not entrust to anyone other than FiatService.EU.
    See the results of the power test after excitation of the high-voltage battery on our FiatService.EU youtube chanel.

  • Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?

    Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?

    Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e? The answer is No and Yes same time. CoVID-19 freezes life of many people all around the world. Lot of them was even not able to get the place where they left cars.
    Unfortunately Fiat 500e don’t like to be not used. Combined with a low quality 12 volt battery, that needs to be recharged from a high voltage battery can cause the battery computer to hang and over discharge the HV batteries below safe minimal voltage.

    47% Battery,not ready”, not charging Fiat 500e? It does not have to result in the Fiat 500e death.

    Our last patient became a victim of CoVID-19. However, thanks to the very quick response of its owner, the problem was solved with microscopic loss of the state of health to the HV battery.

    SOH result after service.
    Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?

    Test drive and engine power

    Below is a test drive video showing the engine power indicator. The six-year-old Fiat 500e after overdischarged HV battery rised by us shows the maximum factory performance of the engine, and thus the battery! I am really very happy with this result. It proves that the method and equipment I use do not degrade the battery during the process. This is not achievable with standard lithium battery chargers that is used by other services!

    Of course I was able to get this result thanks to the fact that the battery was in very good condition before the problem begin. It is impossible to improve the state of lithium-ion cells, but it can definitely be worsened by incorrectly carrying out this operation.

    As I have mentioned many times, the most important thing about this problem is time. The sooner the car gets to our Electric Vehicle Battery Service or we to the car, the lower the risk of damage to the Fiat’s 500e HV battery.



    Just today, more than a year after the repair, I got an e-mail. Let me publish the first words of the blue 500e owner, to which i don’t need to add anything 🙂

    Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?
    Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?

    Can the coronavirus kill a Fiat 500e?

    Right!, if the car is left in this condition for a long period of time

    No, if the car goes quickly to the appropriate Fiat 500e service center or Electric Vehicles Service Center

    Definitely Not, if you trust me to fix this problem.



  • Fiat 500e battery replacement

    Fiat 500e battery replacement

    Fiat 500e battery replacement starts with getting the 500e replacement battery. Unfortunately it is not easy for several reasons:

    • The new HV battery was more expensive than the new Fiat 500e 2013-2019 in California.
    • Fiat does not sell spare parts for HV batteries. Therefore all spare parts you have to find from the aftermarket.
    • Most Fiats 500e are not badly shattered after the accidents. Making almost every one repairable without major problems. This makes the used Fiat 500e HV batteries extremely hard to find or get.

    Several times I had an offer to buy a used Fiat 500e battery with the body (rest of the car) for free 😉

    therefore better always try to repair the Fiat 500e HV battery then think about Fiat 500e battery replacement. Sometimes it may take several months to find a Fiat 500e HV battery for sale. the only thing I can give you a hint is to browse through the ads from auction sites.

    Fiat 500e battery life

    Fiat 500e battery life calculation by a producer, according to Fiat 500e maintenance schedule is 15 years or 240 000 km. In line with these assumptions, the first Fiats 500e from 2013, exceeded the halfway point of life. I drove many examples from 2013 and some of them show a slight degradation of the battery. Some examples of this model have exceeded my wildest expectations and after 7 years of use they show SOH of the battery between 99 and 100%.

    How to replace Fiat 500e HV battery? I have already described it in my other post about removing of the Fiat 500e HV battery.



    the basis of the fiat 500e battery diagnostic is the battery log. See how to do it yourself in the AlfaOBD application.

  • Fiat 500e battery repair

    Fiat 500e battery repair

    Fiat 500e battery repair begins with computer diagnostics and a load test of the battery pack. With this information, it only takes a short time, to be absolutely certain that the operation makes sense. By following these steps now, we can most like prevent the future replacement of the entire HV battery . A very expensive procedure indeed.

    The next step is to take the HV battery pack out of the car and, if necessary, measure the capacity of individual cells.



    It is not recommended to mix used cells with new ones. For this reason we try to select used batteries with parameters as close as possible with the ones in the unit.

    The search and testing begins!

    Only when we know how many cells need to be replaced can we reconfigure into a safe and reliable unit.

    500e HV battery repair
    500e HV battery repair

    The final steps of Fiat 500e battery repair may appear to be easy, but are not easy to complete 😉 The list of steps to be performed is long and quite tedious. Way too much information to list here! Especially when we come to the most important part of the program – The Motor Power Test 🙂 Fortunately the Electric Vehicles Battery Repair procedure is almost identical with most all of the EV car brands and models on the market today.

  • Fiat 500e Battery LOG

    Fiat 500e Battery LOG

    Fiat 500e Battery LOG from AlfaOBD give us basic access to quite advance HV battery information. To use AlfaOBD app you need good quality ELM327diagnostic tool that works with Fiat 500e.

    Get Your own Fiat 500e diagnostic interface. I can certainly recommend OBDlink MX+. It is a good quality interface that can easily handle large amounts of data in the Fiat 500e CAN network.

    thanks to this you can now scan fiat 500e error messages

    if you do not feel up to strength, we can deal with remote diagnostics of your car, through computer desktop sharing programs.

    How to make Fiat 500e Battery Log with AlfaOBD?

    Watch instructions video here or follow text instructions below. Electric Vehicles Battery log how to.

    1. Open AlfaOBD and connect to your interface.
    2. Select Fiat 500e / Battery Management / Battery Pack Control Module ver. 3
    3. In new screen press CONNECT and wait for confirmation of the connection with the ECU.
    4. At the bottom of the screen, select the second icon from the left – the battery icon
    5. Press READ SYSTEM ID and READ SYSTEM STATUS
    6. At the top of the screen, select the second icon from the right – the tool icon.
    7. Select VIEW FAULTS AND GAUGES LOG, download it from google Chrom and email to me: fca@fiatservice.eu



    Fiat 500e Battery LOG
    Fiat 500e Battery LOG

    Fiat 500e Battery Log with AlfaOBD – PC Version?

    Fiat 500e Battery LOG
    Fiat 500e Battery LOG
    1. Open AlfaOBD on your Windows PC
    2. Select Fiat / 500e 2013-19/ Battery Management / Battery Pack Control Module ver 3. and click Connect
    3. Wait for connection and switch to Status/Faults TAB
    Fiat 500e Battery LOG
    Fiat 500e Battery LOG
    1. On Status/Faults TAB click Read all faults and wait for results.
    2. Than click Read System ID and wait for results.
    3. Than click Read System Status and wait for results. This usually takes about a minute or two. you should wait until it is possible to scroll freely (until the log stops refreshing)
    4. Last step is click on view log and save as text document

    Send us your Battery pack log for diagnostic

    Send us your Battery pack log for diagnostic instead of a car on lorry truck. When we know the problem better, I can come to you and repair the car at a local service station. Battery repair is much cheaper than fiat 500e battery replacement.

    To upload the battery log to us for a diagnostic, please create new ticket in our Support Ticket System:

  • Removing Fiat 500e HV Battery Pack

    Removing Fiat 500e HV Battery Pack

    Removing Fiat 500e HV Battery Pack – photo gallery & video of the process. Process of the Fiat 500e battery replacement. First step before any EV service of HV instalation: Remove safety plug.

    Fiat 500e HV Battery removal instructions on one of my old video.



  • Lithium Battery bests practices

    Lithium Battery bests practices

    Lithium Battery bests practices by Peter Wolf.
    How to prevent Li-Ion battery for loosing SOH and ageing? How to not visit HV Battery service.
    Sorry for the mistakes, I will work on it

    I have started my adventure with lithium batteries about 20 years ago, as a RC modeler. Lithium batteries that we used in flying models, unlike laptop batteries, were designed for maximum current, delivered in a very short time. Thanks to this I gained experience with the most well-fed Lithium batteries in the world. Batteries that I use for acrobatic or racing models are able to temporarily spend up to 100 times more current than the nominal capacity.
    What does it mean? For example, use a small battery used in 250 class acrobatic drones with a capacity of 1300mAh on 14.8V what means 4 cells per 3.7V nominal.

    Next to the capacity, a thick 75C inscription appears, marked with a black background. This means that, we can temporarily pull the current ,75 times larger than its capacity.
    That is 75 * 1300mA = 97 500 mA.
    Almost 98Amps on 15V what gives 1470W from a battery not much bigger than a matchbox.

    RC LIPo Battery
    Lithium Battery bests practices

    100% SOC is actually 100% capacity of our battery and 0% is 0%

    In your mobile phone for 99,99% it is. that’s why a mobile phone battery lasts only for two years. 100% for 4.2V(or even higher to 4.35V) and 0% for 3V.

    Lithium Battery bests practices
    Lithium Battery bests practices

    In most EV vehicles, the original cell capacity is degreed for longer battery life. And for example Fiat 500e’s 100% SOC is equal to ~4110mV/cell and 0% is around ~ 3300mV/cell

    Lithium Battery bests practices important notice: Lithium battery haven’t ‘memory effect’. There is no sense to discharge them to 0% and then full charge.

    Charge Voltage Limit and Discharge cycles

    Charge Voltage Limit is also very important. Every reduction of 0.1V in max cell/voltage double the battery cycles. Every 0.07V (70mV) drops the usable capacity by ~10%

    Charge level
    V/cell
    Discharge cyclesStored Energy
    4.25200 – 350105-110%
    4.20300 – 500100%
    4.15400 – 70090% to 95%
    4.10600 – 100085% to 90%
    4.05850 – 150080% to 85%
    4.001200 – 200070% to 75%
    3.902,400 – 400065%
    3.804000 >55%

    Deeper discharge, shorter life.

    Deeper discharge (100% DoD equals to full cycle) = shorter battery life – less battery cycles. Operating the battery in mid-state-of-charge would have beast results.

    DoD
    (Depth of discharge)
    Baterry cycles
    NiCd
    Battery cycles
    LiPO
    100% DoD~300~600
    80% DoD~400~900
    60% DoD~600~1500
    40% DoD~1000~3000
    20% DoD~2000~9000
    10% DoD~6000~15000

    Lithium battery charging and balancing

    No Lithium battery archive ‘capacity memory effect’ therefore it is not necessary to always discharge to zero and charge to 100%. and it will definitely be better if we don’t charge like that. If you do not use 100% daily, consider setting a charging schedule so as not to recharge the battery every day to 100%. For Lithium Battery bests practices try to keep the limits from 20 to 80% State-of-Charge. You don’t have to worry about the battery being unbalanced. Discharging to zero and charging to 100% has nothing to do with balancing the battery. Fiat 500e balances the HV package whenever it is needed, even during sleep cycle

    Lithium Battery bests practices
    Fiat 500e HV battery balance data.

    Lithium batteries storage

    Lithium batteries differ from each other, the additives used, which every manufacturer keeps secret… Lithum Polimer batteries, achieve their incredible performance at the expense of stability and explosive nature. These batteries, whose purpose is to discharge from 100% to zero in 3-4 minutes are extremely sensitive to too low charge or high charge. The only way to store these batteries, as well as all other Lithium batteries, is to charge them to the “magic” STORAGE level of 3.75V – 3.82V per cell (about 50%SOC)

    Proper prepared to store Lithium batteries can be stored up to 5 years, almost without degrading the battery SOH (State-of-Health) Remember, or notice the next time, how much charge your new mobile phone has taken straight out of the box?

    For any Lithium Battery bests practices, remember, no lithium batteries like to be 0% or 100% too long. And the closer to the center (SOC: 45-50%) the better. Depending on the additives used for the chemical composition and battery pack build. Lithium batteries can only be more or less resistant to too high or too low SOC.

    Putting battery in to Storage State requires a special charging mode. it is mainly used for batteries used from time to time such as drones/RC batteris, which we charge to 4.2V / cell just before use.

    to be continue….

  • Fiat 500e HV Battery repairs

    Fiat 500e HV Battery repairs

    Fiat 500e HV Battery repairs
    Fiat 500e HV Battery repairs

    Fiat 500e HV battery rebuilds & regeneration. We are rebuilding and regenerating all electric and hybrid cars High Voltage Batteries. Measurements and reports on the battery State of Health. Replacing of damaged cells. Call us before looking for Fiat 500e replacement battery.

    Fiat 500e High Voltage Battery specs



    500e HV Battery includes a 24 KWH chilled/heated lithium-ion Battery. 500e battery voltage is equal to 364 Volts nominal from 97 cells. ~400V, fully charged. Equipped with safety fuse, that after detach divides the HV battery for two parts

    Fiat 500e Battery charger is On Board Charging Module with 6,6kW max power. Level 1 and Level 2, Fiat 500e charging options for 110V and 230V

    Fiat 500e HV Battery Repair.

    Electric Fiat 500 over-discharge problem after long time not used. Very often problem after shipping to Europe from United States. We achieve the best results after raising the battery back to operational voltage. Check our post about 47% or 0% SOC, Limited Power Mode not ready Fiat 500e.

    Post collision damage Battery Pack Repair. Or very often damage after hitting a sharp stone. Sometimes the smallest hole, may cause water to accumulate inside the battery pack. Water in high voltage battery pack can cause irreparable damage or even a fire of the Electric Vehicle.

    Fiat 500e LiIon Battery rebuild.

    Recycle HV Batteries

    Old electric cars battery pack conversion for photovoltaic installations. Photovoltaic Battery Management Systems to use with any Lithium batteries. Best way to recycle LiIon batteries.



    Check my power tests after 47% dead Fiat 500e